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yet you stay here as a civil rights activist. does this remind you of things you fought growing up? >> oh, lord. growing up in the '60s, i grew up in the '50s as well. i've been around here a long time. when we fought back in the late '50s with trying to get school integration going, then trying to get civil rights -- >> i have to have you hold it there. we're out of time. thank the kids at benedict college in allen. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice. go national. go like a pro. >>> the massachusetts senate rate is getting very ugly. new video posted online shows supporters of senator scott brown mocking elizabeth warren for claiming a native american heritage. the video shows people performing the tomahawk chop and making war cries. even worse.
yet you stay here as a civil rights activist. does this remind you of things you fought growing up? >> oh, lord. growing up in the '60s, i grew up in the '50s as well. i've been around here a long time. when we fought back in the late '50s with trying to get school integration going, then trying to get civil rights -- >> i have to have you hold it there. we're out of time. thank the kids at benedict college in allen. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing...
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it brought together civil rights leaders then and now. i was too young in '65, so were you, but we're not too young now. we must maintain what they won in '65. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> does romney like you? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. on the way to denver. let me start with this brand new nbc/wall street journal poll out tonight. what it shows in addition to an obama leading that's hardening is a deep concern that mitt romney said about that 47% of the country he says can't be counted on to meet its responsibility. it's that part of the country that romney has dismissed as free-loaders, moochers, takers. people, especially veteran families, people retired on social security, regular americans, that is, don't like being dismissed that way, injury added by insult. i'm joined by chuck todd and howard fineman with "the huffington post." the latest poll shows among likely voters the president leads 49% to 46% for romney. that's down net two points
it brought together civil rights leaders then and now. i was too young in '65, so were you, but we're not too young now. we must maintain what they won in '65. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> does romney like you? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. on the way to denver. let me start with this brand new nbc/wall street journal poll out tonight. what it shows in addition to an...
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under the 1964 civil rights act. you cannot operate a private business that serves the public that also excludes people based on their race. you can't operate your business, for example, like this. even if it is your private business. and even if your local law enforcement authorities are okay with it. and even request your state's government says stuff like segregation now. you're part of the united states of america and far of our constitution you cannot operate racially discriminatory businesses. nobody thinks you can do this anymore, right? lives were lost and a lot of blood was shed to enforce that principle, but it is settled now, right? until the last couple of years. when kentucky republican rand paul won a seat in the united states senate in 2010. it was after a campaign in which he said the 1964 civil rights act made him uncomfortable. he wasn't sure that anybody should be able to tell a private business that, for example, you have to serve black people. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1
under the 1964 civil rights act. you cannot operate a private business that serves the public that also excludes people based on their race. you can't operate your business, for example, like this. even if it is your private business. and even if your local law enforcement authorities are okay with it. and even request your state's government says stuff like segregation now. you're part of the united states of america and far of our constitution you cannot operate racially discriminatory...
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the civil war. >> what's this mean on the ground for people voting? i was worried about this law. now i'm worried people still think the law is in effect. it's called intimidation, not just suppression. >> it was a huge victory today, chris, like your other guests, and i think them for their partnership and i thank everybody for helping us to push this thing back past november 6th. our game now has transformed somewhat. because there's a portion of this that the judge allowed. that is that the government here in pennsylvania can still talk about the law even though it's not to be implemented. so our game, chris, has shifted. we're going to remind voters you do not need identification to vote because i suspect in the next five weeks, mr. corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzei, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this back. we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in penn
the civil war. >> what's this mean on the ground for people voting? i was worried about this law. now i'm worried people still think the law is in effect. it's called intimidation, not just suppression. >> it was a huge victory today, chris, like your other guests, and i think them for their partnership and i thank everybody for helping us to push this thing back past november 6th. our game now has transformed somewhat. because there's a portion of this that the judge allowed. that...
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lbj switches to opposing the civil rights laws. and they cared about the blacks for five minutes and then they mores onto talking about rights for girls that want to have abortions. they have dumped the blacks and moved onto larger voting blocks now. >> i am. he comes out with 47% remark and his own party is beating him over the head. my pal bill christy killing the guy. were they too hard on him? >> he was talking to donors he it was a secret tape he was making an obvious point. he was saying they are rejecting me so i might as well not waste my time campaigning to them. that doesn't mean that when you become president -- obviously, ronald reagan's policies did more for poor people and lower middle-class people than certainly the policies of obama? >> can romney win? >> yes. >> 23 million unemployed. >> why are our conservative brothers and sisters so panicky. i agree with you. we have to see the debates. i didn't think the convention was very good. >> i loved it. >> i was there and i covered it. finally this week he is talking ab
lbj switches to opposing the civil rights laws. and they cared about the blacks for five minutes and then they mores onto talking about rights for girls that want to have abortions. they have dumped the blacks and moved onto larger voting blocks now. >> i am. he comes out with 47% remark and his own party is beating him over the head. my pal bill christy killing the guy. were they too hard on him? >> he was talking to donors he it was a secret tape he was making an obvious point. he...
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>> all right. mara squall mara schvocampo. thank yoerch he's accused the president of raising taxes in his first term. why did he suddenly change his line of attack yesterday on the campaign trail. still ahead, if romney does lose ohio, where does that leave him? we'll dig into the battleground map and show you the plausible butotroe p iou fimo get to 270 without ohio. but first a look ahead at the schedules of the president and mitt romney. right now mitt romney is at his rally, the first one of the day, big one, big schedule for him. the president doing a bunch of stops as well in ohio. jack nicklaus, by t y, intht ey today. you're watching the daily rundown only on msnbc. bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters g! as ha backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see at you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to genay. he y"hif hn faitylyaig looks go
>> all right. mara squall mara schvocampo. thank yoerch he's accused the president of raising taxes in his first term. why did he suddenly change his line of attack yesterday on the campaign trail. still ahead, if romney does lose ohio, where does that leave him? we'll dig into the battleground map and show you the plausible butotroe p iou fimo get to 270 without ohio. but first a look ahead at the schedules of the president and mitt romney. right now mitt romney is at his rally, the...
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. >> before the civil rights act was passed was the last time we had a president from massachusetts win ask i'm not saying mitt romney is a bad guy. i'm sure he's a nice guy, but i will say that if i was going to write a movie and create a bad guy orvilleen, i would have them be a really, really wealthy out of touch guy who stashes his money in cayman bank accounts and fires people for a living. >> you know, because he likes to fire people. >> he likes being able to fire people. >> and get him -- get him a car garage for his vacation home. >> car elevator. >> elevator, yes car elevator. there are so many things about mitt romney. we could go on and on. i'm sure i's a very nice man has a good family. i saw his sons out in iowa. there's something that disturbs me about the way mitt romney is running for president. it's almost like he wants to go back in time. i saw him and he would talk about how great america was and barack obama wants to change america to make it great. i want to go back to what made america great in the past. it's like he wants to go back to some time period when harri
. >> before the civil rights act was passed was the last time we had a president from massachusetts win ask i'm not saying mitt romney is a bad guy. i'm sure he's a nice guy, but i will say that if i was going to write a movie and create a bad guy orvilleen, i would have them be a really, really wealthy out of touch guy who stashes his money in cayman bank accounts and fires people for a living. >> you know, because he likes to fire people. >> he likes being able to fire...
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it was liberal democrats that were the ones fighting civil rights for 100 years after the civil war in addition to fighting the civil war. and they just write these revisionist histories and then play act themselves being civil rights champions. um, i mean, the quote from bill clinton. on his first inaugural as governor, he was embracing orville -- [inaudible] who stood in the schoolhouse during little rock. democrat bill clinton invites democrat segregationist jay william full bright to the white house to give him the medal of freedom in which he cites fulbright, you know, he teaches us that the russians are people too. but fulbright didn't ever see that black americans were people, too, since he signed the southern manifesto, voted against the '64 civil rights act. cheryl: you really in the book go after politicians, and you say they have used the black community to their own benefit. >> oh, yes. cheryl: give me some specific examples. >> well, that's the funny thing. while being pompous and engaging in this moral training as if they are the champions of black people, they dropped th
it was liberal democrats that were the ones fighting civil rights for 100 years after the civil war in addition to fighting the civil war. and they just write these revisionist histories and then play act themselves being civil rights champions. um, i mean, the quote from bill clinton. on his first inaugural as governor, he was embracing orville -- [inaudible] who stood in the schoolhouse during little rock. democrat bill clinton invites democrat segregationist jay william full bright to the...
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it is like the campaigns in the early 1900's when women's right to vote was a central civil rights issue of the country. it is like the campaigns in the 1840's and 1850's and the election of abraham lincoln when the issue of slavery or freedom was a central issue of the country. those local elections before the revolution were similar in the way that they cast the issue as being one in which there is a status of british citizenship and american citizenship. the gap had to be closed. the reason i would bring this up as a candidate -- my platform would be to close at the civil gap. all of us of being in this room being somewhat government professionals know that budgets are not really about money, but civil commitments. budgets are architectures of all of the civil commitment to have made to each other as citizens over many generations. the way in which these commitments a range from national security to air traffic control and to food safety, all of these commitments accumulated year after year very slowly and were reaffirmed and reshaped in the appropriations and budget legislation. fami
it is like the campaigns in the early 1900's when women's right to vote was a central civil rights issue of the country. it is like the campaigns in the 1840's and 1850's and the election of abraham lincoln when the issue of slavery or freedom was a central issue of the country. those local elections before the revolution were similar in the way that they cast the issue as being one in which there is a status of british citizenship and american citizenship. the gap had to be closed. the reason...
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didn't get the civil rights bill through until the '60s. it seems like joe biden is a familiar figure 60 years ago. barack obama, of course, has an exotic name, an freezing rain name. he's not an unusual fellow. these aren't strange personalities. leon panetta is the most common, regular -- someone you would have met 100 years ago. is the democratic party that new age that they scare people. maybe i'm part of that reality. i don't see them as strange at all. >> it goes back to the propaganda factor. it's not just that rush and fox and those guys say something, it's that we say the other thing. if we say that barack obama isn't a muslim, that must not be true because we're the liberal media, we're the mainstream media, and nothing we can say -- we say can be trusted. >> i have called an anti-posture for years. just saying no to everything. thank you, guys. i think you nailed it. it's psychological. anyway, howard fineman and joe klein, thank you. coming up, it's not ignorance it's cycle. could barack obama be the democrats ronald reagan. the
didn't get the civil rights bill through until the '60s. it seems like joe biden is a familiar figure 60 years ago. barack obama, of course, has an exotic name, an freezing rain name. he's not an unusual fellow. these aren't strange personalities. leon panetta is the most common, regular -- someone you would have met 100 years ago. is the democratic party that new age that they scare people. maybe i'm part of that reality. i don't see them as strange at all. >> it goes back to the...
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public schools, for example when after the civil rights movement experienced a deep not only resegregation due to taxes but also an elevation of private schools so people can control their private educational spaces. and so this is a really serious crisis. we can't have a shared democracy if we don't share a robust public fear. education is the critical linchpin to maintaining that space. >> cenk: one more thing professor rose if we were all in the same boat, we might be much better off. you think that in l.a. stephen spielberg's kids, tom hanks' kids all the rich movie producers, if they all had to send their kids to public schools, the public schools wouldn't be much better? >> right, not only would they be much better, but we would be able to understand why schools that hoard resources by controlling high tax bases and leaving poor-tax base with fewer resources we would understand why there is such a differential. working people, working parents working teachers who are workers are paying the price that we're balancing the economy on their backs. until there is collective buy-in its dif
public schools, for example when after the civil rights movement experienced a deep not only resegregation due to taxes but also an elevation of private schools so people can control their private educational spaces. and so this is a really serious crisis. we can't have a shared democracy if we don't share a robust public fear. education is the critical linchpin to maintaining that space. >> cenk: one more thing professor rose if we were all in the same boat, we might be much better off....
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it is a civil rights group the advancement project that came out talking about the potential impact of all of the various efforts in particularly states where there is a big latino population. is that related to this voter i.d. or you know, what other forms, attempts of voter suppression. >> it is related to voter i.d. but we're seeing a lot of other techniques. so in florida, they made it very, very hard to do voter registration drives, the paperwork requirements were very ominous and it was a crime if you didn't comply with them. most organizations including the league of women voters decide they didn't want to play. that law was struck down by a federal court but it did a lot of damage while it was in effect. you're seeing attempts to take away people's ability to vote early so we've got -- took early voting starting in iowa in places like ohio and florida. you're seeing laws passed to reduce the number of states where early voting can happen. that does have an impact, like i said, minority voters are more likely to not have i.d. as it turns out, a lot of racial minority groups are
it is a civil rights group the advancement project that came out talking about the potential impact of all of the various efforts in particularly states where there is a big latino population. is that related to this voter i.d. or you know, what other forms, attempts of voter suppression. >> it is related to voter i.d. but we're seeing a lot of other techniques. so in florida, they made it very, very hard to do voter registration drives, the paperwork requirements were very ominous and it...
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in some civil right type folks picked it up. -- been some civil right type folks picked it up and started bringing cases in which the plaintiff is foreign. the defendant is foreign. the tour took place in some foreign place. they say you have jurisdiction over this. courts have been going for this. they have been allowing some of these cases to go forward. this case raised the question of the of -- in this particular case, it took place in nigeria. the guy says the nigerian government committed these against me. they mistreated me. these foreign will company's work implicit -- foreign companies were implicit. so i am wanting to sue the oil companies in federal court. the defendant say this is not apply to corporations. he cannot actually sue a corporation under the statute. that was their claim. they did something very unusual. they actually said we want to consider a broader question. we would like you to brief not just this question of does it apply to corporations, but also doesn't apply extraterritorial be at all tax doesn't apply to those that happened in the land of soaring sovereig
in some civil right type folks picked it up. -- been some civil right type folks picked it up and started bringing cases in which the plaintiff is foreign. the defendant is foreign. the tour took place in some foreign place. they say you have jurisdiction over this. courts have been going for this. they have been allowing some of these cases to go forward. this case raised the question of the of -- in this particular case, it took place in nigeria. the guy says the nigerian government committed...
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. >>> all of you can watch the debate in denver right here on msnbc. >>> the critical civil rights case is on the agenda as the supreme court is getting ready to convene tomorrow. it's all right here on weekends with alex witt. ♪ keys, keys, keys, keys, keys. ♪ well, he's not very handsome ♪ to look at [ sighs ] ♪ oh, he's shaggy ♪ and he eats like a hog [ male announcer ] the volkswagen jetta. available with advanced keyless technology. control everything from your pocket, purse, or wherever. that's the power of german engineering. ♪ that dirty, old egg-suckin' dog ♪ firm challenge the needer for such heavy measures [ female announcer ] think a thick cream is the only way to firm skin? with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lightweight. [ female announcer ] olay regenerist. wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ ma
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i said i think this is the civil rights issue of our generation. the dividing line is not race or class, but around educational opportunity. if we're serious about closing the achievement gap, we have to close the opportunity gap. i do not think we have had anything near the sense of urgency and commitment to closing those gaps that we need to. to look at the staggering inequities and inequalities, we have to get better faster. all those things compel us to act. the president has provided leadership. he understands what is at stake. congress has been supportive. we have to work on this together and put politics and the ideology aside. we have to educate our way to a better economy. i talk about a cradle to career agenda. we have to start with early childhood education. i could make a compelling case that is the best investment we can make. if we can get our babies into kindergarten and ready to read, we start to close the gaps. if we do not do that, we're playing catch-up. we play catch up at every level of the education system. many of our college
i said i think this is the civil rights issue of our generation. the dividing line is not race or class, but around educational opportunity. if we're serious about closing the achievement gap, we have to close the opportunity gap. i do not think we have had anything near the sense of urgency and commitment to closing those gaps that we need to. to look at the staggering inequities and inequalities, we have to get better faster. all those things compel us to act. the president has provided...
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. >> joy-ann, the old republican party supported civil rights. when you define liberal and conservative, people support medicare with all their hearts and they do like this stuff, they like that we have a mixed capitalism with some social welfare mixed in to soften it and that makes them practical people and makes them liberal in a sense of functionality but not, i'm a liberal. your thoughts? >> you know, i agree. chris, two things have happened over the course of the last 20, 30 years. you have this slow turning away from the ideas of the new deal, at least from other people. the notions that these are handouts when it applies to other people, just by default, any democratic that gets elected, it was illegitimate. and then clinton comes along, he's illegit. you had it with kennedy. dead people in chicago really elected him. then clinton came along. he did win. i would think there was this notion that bill clinton was inherently illegitimate and nothing too extreme to dislodge him from the white house because he was de-facto illegitimate. and i t
. >> joy-ann, the old republican party supported civil rights. when you define liberal and conservative, people support medicare with all their hearts and they do like this stuff, they like that we have a mixed capitalism with some social welfare mixed in to soften it and that makes them practical people and makes them liberal in a sense of functionality but not, i'm a liberal. your thoughts? >> you know, i agree. chris, two things have happened over the course of the last 20, 30...
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why is it that the 1964 civil rights act is treated as if it's the only civil rights act in u.s. history? because that was the first one in history ever pushed by a democrat. and by the way, lbj, when he was a senator, opposed the 1957 and 1960 civil rights act being pushed by eisenhower and nixon. and if i could just say about chris matthews, as curious as that clip, he cites all the black people coming up to him and cites black people in other country whom he refers to as african-americans. that's because here in america, he doesn't have any black friends. he doesn't have any black neighbors. his son, i have the url and the book, there is a big picture of his son's wedding. 100 people in the church. not a black face in the group. any republican with the facts of chris matthews life would be convicted of racism in two seconds. he's a race bean counter for every tea party, every republican gathering. he doesn't have any black friends! >> steve: you talk in your book about how the left plays the race card to keep the black community. >> yes. yes. i mean, step one is tell black peo
why is it that the 1964 civil rights act is treated as if it's the only civil rights act in u.s. history? because that was the first one in history ever pushed by a democrat. and by the way, lbj, when he was a senator, opposed the 1957 and 1960 civil rights act being pushed by eisenhower and nixon. and if i could just say about chris matthews, as curious as that clip, he cites all the black people coming up to him and cites black people in other country whom he refers to as african-americans....
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. >> when civil rights and grassroots groups learned about alec's connection to stand your ground laws, they were outraged. >> alec doesn't do its work alone, they do it with some of the biggest corporate brands in america. >> before long, corporations were pulling out of alec, including coca-cola, kraft foods, mcdonald's, mars, proctor & gamble, johnson & johnson. caught in the glare of the national spotlight, alec tried to change the subject. >> you know, i think the entire debate needs to be reframed, and really what alec is, is a bipartisan association of state legislators -- we have legislators of all political stripes coming together to talk about the most critical issues facing the states and trying to come up with the best solutions to face some of the problems that we're having. >> alright, so your point is it's not a partisan organization. >> but alec is partisan. and then some. >> in the spring i got a call from a person who said that all of the alec bills were available and was i interested in looking at them. and i said i was. >> lisa graves, a former justice department la
. >> when civil rights and grassroots groups learned about alec's connection to stand your ground laws, they were outraged. >> alec doesn't do its work alone, they do it with some of the biggest corporate brands in america. >> before long, corporations were pulling out of alec, including coca-cola, kraft foods, mcdonald's, mars, proctor & gamble, johnson & johnson. caught in the glare of the national spotlight, alec tried to change the subject. >> you know, i...
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we'll listen to newly released audiotapes that show kennedy's real views on the civil rights movement, cuban missile crisis and george romney. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla? this is great! [ male announcer ] at humana, we believe there's never been a better time to share your passions... because the results... are you having fun doing this? yeah. that's a very nice cake! [ male announcer ] well, you can't beat them. [ giggles ] ohh! you got something huh? whoa... [ male announcer ] humana understands the value of spending time together that's a lot of work getting that one in! let's go see the birdies. [ male announcer ] one on one, sharing what you know. let's do it grandpa. that's why humana agents will sit down with you, to listen and understand what's important to you. it's how we help you choose the right humana medicare plan for you. because when your medicare is taken care of, you can spend more time sharing your passions. wow. [ giggles ] [
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. >> i will vote for governor johnson because he will reduce the debt and preserve our civil rights and respect the constitution. >> i am supporting president obama because he is doing a good job and he deserves another term so he can experiences policies coming into fruition. that has been full of broken promises so i will be voting for governor romney. >> i will be supporting jerry johnson for president because he is the only candidate that will focus on the constitution, stay out of the made wars. at the end of the war on drugs. >> live coverage tonight from the presidential debate. the debates starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. at the next debate between the presidential candidates on tuesday the sixteenth where they will take audience questions in new york city. in the final debate, the questions will focus on that the bay. will have live coverage online at c-span.org. >> we need to tackle our nation's challenges before they tackle us. we need to strengthen medicare and social security. we're putting ideas on the table headed to that. we are not trying to scare seniors, we are try
. >> i will vote for governor johnson because he will reduce the debt and preserve our civil rights and respect the constitution. >> i am supporting president obama because he is doing a good job and he deserves another term so he can experiences policies coming into fruition. that has been full of broken promises so i will be voting for governor romney. >> i will be supporting jerry johnson for president because he is the only candidate that will focus on the constitution,...
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that's true on civil rights as well. he's been unfairly criticized for being weak on civil rights. he was not as strong as he could have been, but he did things behind the scenes that were important. >> let's talk, presidential historian, jon meacham, who has a book coming out after the election that's forthcoming. "thomas jefferson, t.j." ike, a good president? a near great president? or a great president? >> i would say he's great. i think that he -- one of the things we haven't talked about on the domestic side is he ratified what franklin roosevelt and harry truman had done in that he could have created -- in 1952, '53, the political climate, i think, and check me on this, evan, was such that if he had been really intent on rolling back the new deal and the fair deal, it would have been a huge fight and would have divided the country even more. so what he did, i think, is what bill clinton essentially did for ronald reagan. >> reagan. >> which is shift the conversation slightly, but accept the basic -- he was burkian -- accept the basic reality of what he found. >> like what th
that's true on civil rights as well. he's been unfairly criticized for being weak on civil rights. he was not as strong as he could have been, but he did things behind the scenes that were important. >> let's talk, presidential historian, jon meacham, who has a book coming out after the election that's forthcoming. "thomas jefferson, t.j." ike, a good president? a near great president? or a great president? >> i would say he's great. i think that he -- one of the things we...
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. >> but i think that the issue is, before my time, e eliberal republicans that stood up for civil rights in the '60s, where are those voices in the republican party it today saying i don't agree with a lot of the things, economic policies but democracy should be nonnegotiable. >> where you know what, this gets to a larger issue. where is the leadership, where is the courage within the republican party. i mean we were talking about this at the time of the birther nonsense, where were the grownups and the republican parties saying to its own members look, you are not only questioning the legitimacy of president obama, but you're questioning the legitimacy of the president of the united states. based on nothing. based on a lie and based on a racist lie and not one person would step forward, any kind of stature within the republican party and say enough. to your point, there's no outrage over this because, you know, quite frankly i think the republican leadership is being held hostage by sort of the last gapses of the far right wing. >> the fear based decision making. >> and shouldn't mitt r
. >> but i think that the issue is, before my time, e eliberal republicans that stood up for civil rights in the '60s, where are those voices in the republican party it today saying i don't agree with a lot of the things, economic policies but democracy should be nonnegotiable. >> where you know what, this gets to a larger issue. where is the leadership, where is the courage within the republican party. i mean we were talking about this at the time of the birther nonsense, where...